Editor Q & A: Andrea Benson from Quirky Pen Editing

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Introduce yourself! How did you get into editing and what are your qualifications? What genres do you enjoy editing most?
Hey everyone, Iโ€™m Andrea! I first got into editing for many reasons. But at the root, it was because I know what itโ€™s like not to have a voice, and I wanted to help other people use theirs. I have a Certificate in Copyediting from UC San Diego, and I continue to do everything I can to improve my skills. I specialize in editing fantasy, science fiction, and horror, although I recently edited a crime fiction novel, and that was a fun departure.

What is the biggest mistake you see indie writers making right now? (For example, info dumps at the beginning of their book, not enough conflict, too much tell vs. show, etc.)
Since I primarily edit at the sentence level, thatโ€™s how I think about the manuscripts I work on. At that level, the biggest (and most frequent) mistake I see is authors showing AND telling the same thing. So, for example, an author might do a great job at showing a character is nervous, and then end the paragraph by stating that they’re nervous. I totally understand the impulse to do this, but trust your readers! Removing those extra telling bits is an easy way to tighten up the manuscript and bring down the word count a bit.

How do you keep the authorโ€™s voice intact while also guiding them with suggestions on how to make their book the best it can be?
I was taught in my copyediting program to use as much of the authorโ€™s original wording as possible to preserve their voice, and to not add anything unless I absolutely have to. So a lot of my edits are things like removing a few unnecessary words or copy/pasting a phrase from one part of a sentence to another. If I think a sentence needs to be completely reworded, Iโ€™ll make a comment with a suggestion or two of how that might be done. The author is completely welcome to use my wording, or they can come up with something that fits their voice better.

Is there ever a time when a book requires too much work? What do you tell a writer whose manuscript isnโ€™t ready for a professional edit? What resources do you refer them to?
For copyeditors, this sometimes happens when an author wants a copyedit but hasnโ€™t had a developmental edit first, and many copyeditors wonโ€™t take those manuscripts. In my experience, though, authors are already well aware of the types of editing available and are skipping a developmental edit because they canโ€™t afford one. Iโ€™m happy to do what I can with whatever an author sends me. That said, I only have a certain amount of time to work on each edit, and I can go deeper with a manuscript thatโ€™s already in good shape.

What advice can you offer an author who canโ€™t afford a professional edit? Are there things they can do to sharpen their own self-editing skills?
My rates are really low, so Iโ€™m often the editor who authors are coming to when they canโ€™t afford anyone else. For authors who absolutely canโ€™t pay or who want to do the work themselves, I recommend the book Editing Fiction at Sentence Level by Louise Harnby. It has really great tips with lots of examples, and itโ€™s written in a very approachable way.

Have you noticed AI writing tools affecting the manuscripts you edit? What are your thoughts on authors using them in the writing process?
I havenโ€™t โ€œcaughtโ€ anyone using AI in any of the manuscripts Iโ€™ve edited, but I lean toward giving authors the benefit of the doubt. Some authorsโ€™ writing style is similar to AI (it learned from us, after all!), so I donโ€™t want to accuse anyone unfairly. My contract also has a clause stating that I wonโ€™t use AI to edit, and that the author wonโ€™t give me text thatโ€™s been generated by AI, so I trust my clients. I do have some clients who use AI in a more assistive way, like to generate ideas or to help with grammar and punctuation (never completely trust Grammarly, though!). I donโ€™t support the use of AI to generate the text itselfโ€“I want to work with clients who have something to say, and who are saying it in their own voice.

As an editor, itโ€™s important youโ€™re honest and give critical and actionable feedback. How do you offer this feedback so a writer doesnโ€™t take it personally?
This was covered a lot in the editing courses I took. Itโ€™s honestly one of the most difficult parts of the job. Every artist puts something of themselves in their work, so when an editor gives feedback, that can feel very personal to the author. I do my best to remember that when Iโ€™m choosing how to word my suggestions. I also love to point out what an author is doing well.

Are there any other tips or thoughts you would like to add about editing or publishing?
The journey is hard, but keep going! I love seeing authors follow their dreams.

And lastly, where can readers find you online?
My website is quirkypenediting.com, and Iโ€™m on most socials as heyandreajay.
Threads: https://www.threads.com/@heyandreajay
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heyandreajay/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.benson.311

Monday Musings: Mixed Bag

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There was a lot of stuff on my mind last week and over the weekend. Things that I saw online that bothered me, things that pertain to the publishing industry that bothered other people, and content for this blog. None of it’s bad… just stuff I simmer about while I’m taking a shower because I’m not writing a new book right now so something has to go through my head while I’m shaving. Yes, if you’re curious, I do shave all year around. I cannot stand being prickly. Anyway, we don’t need to get into that. The point is, if I’m not writing scenes in my head, there’s a lot of space in there for other things. And really, it doesn’t help that I scroll Threads while I’m drinking my morning coffee and trying to wake up. It just sets the rage-y tone for the rest of the day. That might not be a bad thing. I mean, how many of us just keep going out of spite? But, it can get a little tiring too. If you’re wondering if there’s a point to this, yes, there is, thank you for asking.

Spring is here, and for once it actually looks like Spring in my part of Minnesota. It’s dirty and wet, and big, grimy piles of snow are all that’s left. But, it’s proof that we made it through the blizzards and the wind chills. There’s something about the warmer temperatures and the sun shining that lets you breathe a little bit, and the longer days–of sunlight, I mean–aren’t so depressing. Not that I mind the dark so much. But you know, Spring is just a different vibe and it’s nice to get some fresh air in here after the windows have been frozen shut for four months.

Author Update
Not much has changed for me since last week–the second (and hopefully last) proof for Wicked Games came so when I have longer than a minute I can look over the formatting changes I did (I had blog posts and interviews in there that look better set off from the regular text) and make sure the cover is how I want it.

I’ve been making slow progress on my Cedar Hill Duet, but they are going to โœจ shine โœจ when I’m done. It’s always an aggravated pride when I re-edit a book. I’m annoyed I had to do it in the first place but I’m proud that I took the time. It’s strange, but I’ll be happy when those are done and republished with new covers. Proofing the proofs is slow going though, and new files probably won’t be ready until the end of April. It just takes a long time because I fight with myself between my natural voice and style and the conversational tone I’m now aiming for, but, fortunately, I’m not finding many actual typos. Just still smoothing out prose and finding the occasional discrepancy. Chunking out a timeline is a lot easier on paper. So, progress doesn’t feel like it’s being made, but it is, even if I’m grumbling about the whole thing.

It’s okay to have help
One of the things I saw on Threads the other day made me mad. She was saying how getting feedback and brainstorming was essentially “outsourcing” a skill writers need to learn for themselves. She brought AI into the mix because apparently she had read something where a writer used AI as a brainstorming partner. I disagree with her on so many levels. Not the AI part–I have chosen to be Switzerland when it comes to that–but the part where if writers ask for help, they’re keeping themselves from learning craft. I’m not quite sure where she came up with that idea, but seeing it on Threads made me mad and a little sad, too. New writers don’t need to be told that if they can’t do it alone they’re not building their skills. Writing is already so lonely.

So, yes, I think it is okay to have help. Get developmental feedback from an editor or beta reader. Brainstorm plots and twists with a fellow author. Read that craft book. Look up lists of tropes and mini-tropes for inspiration. My reader magnet exists because a long time ago back when she was on Twitter, Zoe York tweeted a list of tropes that included “ugly duckling.” It intrigued me–how could I write a MMC that didn’t sound like an arrogant, shallow bastard–and I wrote a whole book around it. Brainstorming with peers, reading craft books, and reading in your genre is how we learn. On top of writing and writing and more writing. It doesn’t matter where you get help, be it a friend or a writing class, you still have to sit down and write. But having support and someone to turn to if you’re stuck makes it a lot easier. There are a lot of gross takes out there, and yeah, I guess AI hasn’t helped, but pre-AI, there were always plot generators, trope lists, and writing prompts. I have no idea where all of a sudden having outside resources helping you write your novel is bad, but writing isn’t done in a vacuum and never has been. You can find a simple and fun plot generator here. I would mess around with it, but I have enough on my plate as it is. Likely, I have enough projects to keep me going until 2030. https://artisthu.com/plot-idea-generator/

Goodreads’ New DNF Shelf
This is another subject that came up last week on socials. Apparently Goodreads created a Did Not Finish (DNF) shelf for their users. Authors were a little perturbed by it, but I don’t see the harm. What does it really matter if readers don’t finish a book? I know authors wouldn’t like to see one of their books on that shelf, but more and more people read by mood, and I could see a DNF shelf turn into a Come Back Later shelf instead. I also think that authors just forget, or don’t want to admit, the sheer number of books out there right now, and readers don’t have to push through a book that doesn’t grab them.

I feel guilty if I don’t finish a book, so I usually try, even if that means skimming until I reach the end. I have to at least read the last chapter to know how the couple gets their HEA. Why I start skimming varies, but my top reason for skipping to the end is that there’s not enough male POV. I remember a while back that I really wanted to read a book two in a series. The premise sounded good, but being who I am, I needed to read book one first. Even though it was “dual” POV, there were too many FMC chapters in a row, and I didn’t keep reading. Unfortunately, I just figured that the author preferred writing the FMC POV and I didn’t make it to book two. You’re never going to please every reader, that’s just a fact, and whale readers will always keep track of their books. That’s just a fact too. Goodreads doesn’t tell you what readers are doing with your books, so it’s better just not to hunt for information you don’t want to know in the first place. If you want to read a little more about the DNF shelf on Goodreads, you can do it here: https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/entertainment/books/a70504162/goodreads-dnf-shelf/

Editor Series
A couple of weeks ago, I asked on Threads if there were any editors who would be willing to answer some questions about what it’s like editing for indies, common mistakes they see, their take on AI, etc. I got quite a few responses, unlike when I tried on Twitter a few years ago. So, I’m happy to say that I will be able to start posting those interviews starting next week! I like the idea of it because it seems like editing is a necessary evil. It’s expensive, you don’t know who to trust, and you need to find someone who’s a good fit. I’m hoping that these interviews will shed a little light on the process and maybe you’ll find your next editor.

I’m not going to post them all in a row, though. I think you would get tired of them, and you know me. I have too many opinions to be quiet for that long. So, I’m going to post one a month starting next week. I hope you enjoy reading their responses as much as I did!

That is all I have for today. Lots of talk about the Shy Girl debacle, but I really don’t have a lot to say on it. AI is everywhere, it’s not going away, and we just have to try to find our way around it. People are going to use it to write, authors are going to use it to edit, brainstorm, and research, and I’m not saying we have to live with it, but until there’s an infallible way to identify AI writing, it’s going to exist in the industry. If you want to read the Times’ article, you can here, and hat tip and big thank you to Cat Johnson and to various others on Threads for the gift link.

Have a great week!

Editing: Can you edit too much?

As I look up wrapping up my six book series (I’m at 67k for book five) editing 540,000 words is weighing on my mind. It’s a daunting task. I edit my own books, which people tell me is quite a no-no, and I agree for first-time authors and writers still working on their craft. I use beta readers who hunt for typos and point out murky scenes and I take their opinions to heart and decide if what they say has any validation in my work. (It usually does.)

On the other hand, my betas are writers, too, not only readers, and writers don’t read like readers do. We are pickier, which may or not be a good thing. The problem is, the pickier you are, the more you’re going to nickel and dime your manuscript to death.

So how can you edit without sucking the life out of your story?

  1. Don’t write by committee. I have to thank Kristine Kathryn Rusch for this tip. While critique partners and writing groups can offer valuable tips and suggestions, the end product should always be yours. There is no “best” way to write. Readers read your work because they like your voice. Writing by committee is the fastest way to lose your voice. You simply can’t implement everyone’s suggestions, nor can you make your book “perfect.” There is no such thing. Your book could have a million endings, a million different twists. If what you have chosen gels (meaning no potholes, you have realized character acs, etc) there’s no reason to be swayed by someone else’s opinion if you like what you’ve already got.
  2. Too many cooks ruin the broth. Every beta reader is going to have an opinion and your mind can spin if you try to listen to everyone. Some people think the more beta readers the better, but all that does is give you more opinions to listen to. Maybe you like that. I have one or two trusted betas and that’s it. I wouldn’t even bother with that except it’s not a good idea to publish without another set of eyes just to be sure you’re not missing anything plot-wise.
  3. Too many editing sweeps and you’ll edit the flavor right out of the story. I did this with Wherever He Goes. I wanted my first standalone to sound good, but all I did was make the opening chapters sound bland. It’s difficult to trust your gut, especially if you haven’t been writing for a while and you know your voice and writing style still need a little work. Going over and over your work won’t make it better–it’s already written. Make that particular piece the best it can be with as few editing sweeps as possible and move on to something new.
  4. Trust your instincts. I have already made some changes with my first couple of books in the series that I don’t agree with based on beta suggestions, and I regret them now. In my next editing sweep I’ll put them back. The things she pointed out and I changed were based on her personal dislikes and I should never have listened to her. I liked what I had before I made changes.
  5. Choose beta readers in your genre. I think that was part of my problem with number four above. The person who disliked aspects of my book doesn’t read or write in my genre. Sometimes this can be valuable, but usually having a beta familiar with your genre can help with tropes etc. and tell you if you hit the nail on the head or missed the mark. (Usually if you are an extensive reader in your genre, you’ll know without being told.)
  6. If you’ve been writing for a while, you may not need an editor. Hear me out. You may only need a proofreader so you can publish a clean copy of your work. As you’re writing evolves, you’ll become more confident and you won’t second-guess yourself like I did with Wherever He Goes, or even when I listened to my beta reader with the first couple of books when deep down I didn’t want to.

In closing, I’m not going to go all crazy with the editing of these books. I don’t want to edit my voice out of them. I want my characters to sound like themselves and that is a real risk when you over-edit. You can edit the spirit right out of your characters so they sound like every other character you’ll ever write.

You don’t want to publish a first draft, but you don’t want your editing to take longer than the actual writing either. There’re a lot of stories out there. Go write them.


If you want to hear Kristine Kathryn Rusch’s talk, she spoke at the 20booksto50k conference in Vegas last year. I think I might have referenced this video once before on the blog, but I’ll post it again if you’re curious.

Also, if you’re curious about a couple of good editing books, I just recommended these two to a friend on Twitter:

Self-Editing for Fiction Writers is a fabulous book and it’s highly recommended by a lot of writers, agents, and editors. You can find it here: https://www.amazon.com/Self-Editing-Fiction-Writers-Second-Yourself/dp/0060545690/

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And a new editing book that just came on the scene not long ago by Tiffany Yates Martin called Intuitive Editing: A Creative and Practical Guide to Revising Your Writing is fabulous! I heard about it in one of the FB groups I’m in, and it is awesome! I recommend you check it out! https://www.amazon.com/Intuitive-Editing-Creative-Practical-Revising/dp/1950830020/

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Thanks for stopping in! Until next time! ๐Ÿ™‚